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PODCAST:

S4E6M – Sin City (movie)*

SHOW NOTES:

Wherein I am joined again by former co-host, David Wilkinson and his friend comic book aficionado, Rob Lloyd II to discuss the impressive, innovative, hardworking, and do-it-yourself attitude of director Robert Rodriquez and his dual efforts to make the two “Sin City” movies. 

Wilk and Ryan had both previously seen the first movie before reading the graphic novels. Rob had the benefit of familiarity with the underlying material before viewing the movies. Despite these varying perspectives the chips seemed to fall in similar spots. 

The first movie was roundly respected for its innovation at the time of release as well as its ability to hold up to the scrutiny of time and a rewatching. Ryan brought up an article which criticized the film as style over substance, which Rob and Wilk argued against. Rob pointed out that the actors showcased their acting abilities by working within the stylistic constraints of the film, which were in complement of Frank Miller’s special visual artistic expression–an integral part of the comic book medium.

In contrast, the second movie felt less important to the reviewers who perceived that they were getting more of the same–this despite cast changes, a 3D option, and the addition of new material (probably the best part). Wilk and Rob also noted out that the length of time between movies may have worked against the second movie, which made it feel less impactful when compared to the first one. Perhaps Wilk summed things up best for the second movie when he said it was enjoyable, but felt that watching it was like watching a reunion episode of your favorite sitcom. 

Perhaps this 2/3rds mini-reunion podcast episode bears a similar critique?!

-Ryan

 

WRITTEN BOOK REVIEWS:

“Sin City (2005)” by Robert Rodriquez (Bruce Willis) (movie)

Ryan: 5 Stars “…The first film is an innovative realization of Miller’s noir comic that is raw and grungy in its perfection—a perfect example of a literal adaptation…

Wilk: 5 Stars “…The first ‘Sin City’ was very influential to me, it still is, I like it, it’s in my mind a fairly enjoyable, perfect, flawless movie for what it’s trying to do and I’ve watched it multiple times…

Rob: 5 Stars “…I had the benefit of reading the comic books before seeing the movies, and I thought the first movie was a brilliant adaptation that really brought to life those images that already were painting a very vivid picture…

 

“Sin City: A Dame to Kill For (2014)” by Robert Rodriguez (Josh Brolin) (movie)

Ryan: 3 1/2 Stars “…the second film labors to live up to [the first] and feels weighed down by the action sequences while struggling to recapture what made the first one so special – though it’s a decent enough flick that is also faithful to the source in content…

Wilk: 3 Stars “…‘A Dame to Kill For’…was exactly what I thought it would be, which was disappointing. I think if you catch lightning in a bottle you should leave it in the bottle and not try to ruin it…

Rob: 3 Stars “…the second [film] continued in [the] same vein [as the first], but it had less impact. I think part of that may be due to the time frame in which it was released, which was nine years later…”  

 

FUN FACTOIDS:

 

Much was made on this episode regarding the tenacious and innovative creative efforts of director, Robert Rodriquez. Even his earliest efforts were praised for his unique ability to make something special with few resources. You can watch one of his very first short films “Bedhead” here: https://youtu.be/InHgkJhvT_A. Hollywood came calling with the success of his directorial debut and first indie feature film “El Mariachi,” which he wrote about in a book called “Rebel Without a Crew: Or How a 23-Year-Old Filmmaker With $7,000 Became a Hollywood Player”: https://www.amazon.com/Rebel-without-Crew-23-Year-Old-Filmmaker/dp/0452271878/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=rebel+without+a+crew&qid=1561415033&s=books&sr=1-1. This book is recommended by former guest and indie filmmaker “Mike O’ReillyRodriquez continued his support of the indie community through a series of short film school video segments: “The Robert Rodriguez Ten Minute Film School.” Here is one of those on the making of “El Mariachi”:  https://youtu.be/VQE9eEmu1b4.

During the episode’s discussion Ryan brought up an article by Dan Seitz for Uproxx that argues the “Sin City” movie is style over substance, which hamstrings the actors trying to recreate comic panels meant for a different medium. That article called ” Why ‘Sin City’ Is What Comic Book Movies Shouldn’t Be” can be found here: https://uproxx.com/viral/why-sin-city-is-what-comic-book-movies-shouldnt-be/.

Here is a cameo of comicbook creator, Frank Miller, playing a priest in the first “Sin City” movie:

The alternate “Cinco de Mayo” politicized trailer for “Machete” cut by Rodriguez in response to pending Arizona immigration legislation mentioned on the podcast can be found here: https://youtu.be/If3GRbAMkCc.

Also, as before, Wilk gave a shout out to the all-things-horror themed Facebook page “Major Horror” run by his wife and past show guest, Laura Valle, which you can find here: https://www.facebook.com/welovescary/.

Lastly, in discussing impressive graphic novels the “Saga” series by Brian K. Vaughan and Fiona Staples was mentioned. Below are photos of Volume One and Volume Two:

 

* DISCLAIMER: Please be advised that the views and opinions of the hosts and guests of NDIOS are completely their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of the other hosts and guests or that of NDIOS.

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PODCAST:

S4E6B – Sin City (graphic novels)*

SHOW NOTES:

Wherein we discuss the prolific career and unarguable influence of this storied and stylistic comic book creator. I am joined by former co-host David Wilkinson and his friend comic book aficionado, Rob Lloyd II.

Much of our exploration considered the gray morality dogging the vast ensemble of characters, which was in contrast to the majority of stark black and white artwork. We also talked about the amazing myriad of interweaving plots and detailed, but focused world-building that develops and unfolds as the neo-noir ethos of Sin City.

Everyone was in complete agreement that the Sin City yarns we discussed were impressive in both their content and artistic style as well as their ability to distinguish characters. While Ryan found that the dialog grew laborious at times while reading the stories straight through, he didn’t think he wanted anything else from the series. Rob and Wilk both felt that the stories were excellent and enjoyable, but were just shy of considering the work paramount for the simple fact that they enjoyed the author’s Batman work slightly more.

Lastly, Rob and Wilk describe their sordid gripping life on the road finding creepy motels to stay at near Ryan, as well as their secret-agenda-quest / real reason for coming to Chicago: to watch grunge rockers “Pearl Jam” live at Wrigley Field.

-Ryan

 

WRITTEN BOOK REVIEWS:

“Sin City” by Frank Miller (select graphic novels)

 

 

 

 

 

  • “The Hard Goodbye (April 1991 – May 1992)” (V1)
  • “A Dame to Kill For (November 1993 – May 1994)” (V2)
  • “The Big Fat Kill (November 1994 – March 1995)” (V3)
  • “That Yellow Bastard (February 1996 – July 1996)” (V4)
  • “Booze, Broads, and Bullets (1998)” (V6)

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Ryan: 5 Stars “…Imagine getting punched in the gut by some rogue lunatic underworld gladiator who promptly collapses into your kitchen chair and chomps down on a bowl of cheerios with his oversized mitts as you crouch on the floor stunned and drooling blood…there’s a knock on the door and you pick up your corpse of a body to stare through the peephole at a knife-wielding leather-clad dame grimacing while rare classic cars skid onto the scene followed by screaming cop sirens tolling in debauchery and corruption…then the color drops out and real nice like everything goes noir…

Wilk: 4 Stars “…a juxtaposition of provocation with expectation…vice was not rewarded, but it was celebrated at the same time…

Rob: 4 Stars “…I think there’s some seminal works that rank above this that are five star works, but it’s right there on the cusp…it’s awesome. I really enjoyed it…

(Click the links to read full written reviews on Goodreads.com)

 

FUN FACTOIDS:

Frank Miller is a legend in the comic world. As mentioned in the episode, he inspired many other artists including the creators of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Here is an article called “The fascinating origin story of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” by Andrew Farago for The Week on that origin story with early sketch work: https://theweek.com/captured/446321/fascinating-origin-story-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.

The Guardian article referenced in the episode about Frank Miller’s past troubles was an interview by Sam Theilman and called “Frank Miller: ‘I wasn’t thinking clearly when I said those things'” and it can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/apr/27/frank-miller-xerxes-cursed-sin-city-the-dark-knight-returns.

On the podcast Wilk mentioned the all-things-horror themed Facebook page “Major Horror” run by his wife and past show guest, Laura Valle, which you can find here: https://www.facebook.com/welovescary/. The Michigan comic book store mentioned by Rob and Wilk during our recording is called “Vault of Midnight” and it can be found online here: https://www.vaultofmidnight.com/.

Lastly, much was made of Wilk and Rob’s true purpose behind their journey to visit Ryan–that being a concert at Wrigley Stadium by the famous grunge rock group Pearl Jam! The duo had a blast joining other friends (including former co-host Beam)! After the concert they joined Ryan at Dole’s abode for more fun before finally settling in to a new hotel (one less worrisome). Below is some pics (taken by Rob, Beam or Dave A) and promo images of the concert they attended:

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* DISCLAIMER: Please be advised that the views and opinions of the hosts and guests of NDIOS are completely their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of the other hosts and guests or that of NDIOS.

PODCAST:

S4E6P – Preview Episode (Sin City)

SUBJECT MATTER:

“Sin City” by Frank Miller (select graphic novels)

 

  • “The Hard Goodbye (April 1991 – May 1992)” (Volume 1) – “It’s a lousy room in a lousy part of a lousy town. But Marv doesn’t care. There’s an angel in the room. She says her name is Goldie. A few hours later, Goldie’s dead without a mark on her perfect body, and the cops are coming before anyone but Marv could know she’s been killed. Somebody paid good money for this frame . . .” (from Amazon.com)
  • “A Dame to Kill For (November 1993 – May 1994)” (Volume 2) – “Stuck with nothing but a seedy gumshoe job and some demons, Dwight’s thinking of all the ways he’s screwed up and what he’d give for one clear chance to wipe the slate clean, to dig his way out of the numb gray hell that is his life. And he’d give anything. Just to feel the fire. One more time. But he can’t let himself lose control again, can’t ever let the monster out. And then Ava calls.”
    (from Amazon.com)
  • “The Big Fat Kill (November 1994 – March 1995)” (Volume 3) – “One of Sin City’s most fascinatingly conflicted characters, Dwight, returns in The Big Fat Kill, the third volume of Frank Miller’s seminal noir comic and the inspiration for one of the segments of the blockbuster Sin City film! This third edition is newly redesigned and features a brand-new cover by Miller-some of his first comics art in years! For Dwight, sometimes standing up for his friends means killing a whole lot of people . . . Not for revenge. Not because they deserve it. Not because it’ll make the world a better place. There’s nothing righteous or noble about it. Dwight’s gotta kill them because he needs them dead.” (from Amazon.com)
  • “That Yellow Bastard (February 1996 – July 1996)” (Volume 4) – “The worst thing to be in Basin City is an honest cop, but it’s Hartigan’s last day on the job, and he plans to go out with a bang. Little Nancy Callahan, age eleven, has been kidnapped by a psycho who likes to hear children scream, and Hartigan’s going to find her no matter what it takes. No matter who the psycho’s daddy is. All the prison time in the world won’t change that. Hell of a way to start retirement . . .” (from Amazon.com)
  • “Booze, Broads, and Bullets (1998)” (Volume 6) – “Collecting classics like “Just Another Saturday Night” and “Silent Night,” both starring the iconic big lug with a condition, Marv; “The Customer Is Always Right,” featured in the Sin City film; and “The Babe Wore Red,” starring Sin City‘s most enduring hero, Dwight; Booze, Broads, and Bullets spans every kind of dark business you might encounter on a cold night in Basin City. It’s sure to scratch your Sin City itch again and again, in just that way that makes you itch for more.” (from Amazon.com)

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“Sin City” by Robert Rodriquez (Bruce Willis) (movie)

“Welcome to Sin City. This town beckons to the tough, the corrupt, the brokenhearted. Some call it dark. Hard-boiled. Then there are those who call it home. Crooked cops. Sexy dames. Desperate vigilantes. Some are seeking revenge. Others lust after redemption. And then there are those hoping for a little of both. A universe of unlikely and reluctant heroes still trying to do the right thing in a city that refuses to care. Their stories — shocking, suspenseful and searing — come to the fore in a new motion picture from co-directors Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez, and special guest director Quentin Tarantino.” (from Amazon.com)

 

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“Sin City: A Dame to Kill For” by Robert Rodriguez (Josh Brolin) (movie)

“Straight from the pages of Frank Miller’s cutting edge series Sin City, co-directors Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez reunite to bring the visually stunning stories back to the screen. Dwight McCarthy (Josh Brolin) struggles with his inner demons and tries to maintain control until his former lover, the goddess Ava Lord (Eva Green), returns wanting his help to escape her abusive husband. Though once he learns her true intentions are far more sinister than they appear, he recruits the help of Marv (Mickey Rourke) and Gail (Rosario Dawson). While a cocky young gambler (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) takes his chances winning against the most powerful man in Sin City, Senator Roark (Powers Boothe). But this is Senator Roark’s least of problems because Nancy Callahan (Jessica Alba) has been driven insane by John Hartigan’s (Bruce Willis) selfless suicide and is no longer a damsel in distress and is out for blood, compelled to avenge Hartigan by hunting down Senator Roark.” (from Amazon.com)

 

 

* DISCLAIMER: Please be advised that the views and opinions of the hosts and guests of NDIOS are completely their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of the other hosts and guests or that of NDIOS.

PODCAST:

S4E4M – Solaris (movie)*

SHOW NOTES:

Wherein musicians John Doyle a/k/a Dole (I Decline) and John Bombher a/k/a Jaxon (Bury the Machines, I Klatus) return to join me to discuss the film adaptions of “Solaris.” Dole felt that each of the films had its own strengths and weaknesses, but neither really did it for him. Jaxon mentioned that he found himself multitasking while watching the 2002 film because he was bored, while he felt much more interested in the 1972 version despite its own slow pace and long length. Ryan couldn’t recommend a viewing of the Soderbergh movie, but found himself wholly taken over by the Tarkovsy one. 

Despite our appreciation for the acting efforts in the 2002 Soderbergh adaptation, the three of us ultimately felt that the author’s blind assessment as “love in outer space” was a fair take on this film. We all had a greater appreciation the 1972 Tarkovsky version. That said, Dole expressed his frustration with the pacing of the 1972 film and he didn’t feel like it had enough going on to justify this. Ryan acknowledged that the older movie was indisputably slow, but felt it was worth it if you could be in the right frame of mind for a viewing. Jaxon appreciated the production elements in Tarkovsky’s film and he particularly enjoyed the supernatural portrayals of the alien-ocean, which were lacking in the newer movie. 

This episode was recorded in Berwyn, Illinois at Horse-Drawn Productions (where Jaxon sometimes records musicians and where Dole, Jaxon and their two other bandmates (Tony Hopper and Mike Fabiano) in “Theurgy” (Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Theurgy-233634134183768/) recorded new tracks for their forthcoming debut album. They gave me permission to include another teaser from one of their new songs called “Crack of the Egg,” which is about cracking open your mind to new ideas. Listen in for this fun tune of post-punk dark wave at the end of the episode!

-Ryan

 

WRITTEN BOOK REVIEWS:

“Solaris (2002)” by Steven Soderbergh (George Clooney) (movie)

Ryan: 2 Stars “…Soderbergh focused too much on classic themes of love and somehow didn’t go far enough with advances in technology, reducing the script to a romantic play on a space station–though the actors did well with the material they were given…

Dole: 2 Stars “…It really annoyed me that now we are changing the whole story line of what is the whole point of this story into, ‘oh no, it’s us against the alien race’…

Jaxon: 1 1/2 Stars “…the acting was fine, but the story wasn’t true to the original book at all and if it was gonna stray that far from it–it at least should have been good…

 

“Solaris (1972)” by Andrei Tarkovsky (Donatas Banionis) (movie)

Ryan: 5 Stars “…Tarkovsky’s effort is patient, thought provoking and literary with excellent production in complete complement to the deep questions explored within the source material…

Dole: 3 Stars “…It’s hard not to compare this film to 2001…but there is not a lot happening…

Jaxon: 4 Stars “…there are some real slow spots…but I love the art direction, and I love the way that it looked, and I loved that overall theme of…trying to search for something human in something that is not human…”  

 

FUN FACTOIDS:

This episode was recorded at Horse-Drawn Productions a great recording studio located in Berwyn, Illinois near Chicago: “Horse-Drawn Productions is a multi-faceted music company that has existed for over a decade, and includes two commercial state of the art recording studios, an international production company, a complete studio design & construction team, and employs instructors for music, DAW and computer lessons for individuals and groups.” (from www.horse-drawnproductions.com)

Dole and Jaxon are members band “Theurgy.” You can check out rough cuts of their dark wave style music on Soundcloud here: https://soundcloud.com/theurgyband/sets/exit-strategies-rough-mixes?fbclid=IwAR13ja8J6euwpSHXAS05aIFnFuKcbd4z18TGWrMu0JK3c_-4vVW8VDBJlxw.

 

Below is a photo from Theurgy’s first official live show on April 14, 2019 at the Underground Lounge in Chi-town:

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Beneath last night’s snowfall in #chitown @theurgy_transmissions played their first official gig. It was a high energy performance! Looking forward to the release of their debut album and many more live shows! Two members of the group (@elyodsean and @burythemachines) joint me on the latest episode of my podcast #NoDeodorantInOuterSpace for an in depth discussion of the 1961 speculative fiction novel #Solaris by #StanislawLem and a preview of one of their new songs – Available now on all major podcatchers including YouTube and our website: www.nodeodorant.com – #chicagolocalmusic #chicagomusicscene #undergroundlounge #Theurgy #newwave #darkwave #darkwavemusic #postpunk #electonicmusic #industrialmusic

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During the episode we mentioned the library scene and paintings hanging in the space station that characters live in above Solaris. For a further discussion on this and the film in general take a look at the article “Out of this World” by Jonathon Jones for the Guardian here: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/feb/12/featuresreviews.guardianreview11.

Lastly, here is a trailer for the very first cinematic adaption of “Solaris (1968)” by Boris Nirenburg (Vasily Lanovoy) (TV movie), which was released in Russia:

 

* DISCLAIMER: Please be advised that the views and opinions of the hosts and guests of NDIOS are completely their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of the other hosts and guests or that of NDIOS.

PODCAST:

S4E4P – Preview Episode (Solaris)

SUBJECT MATTER:

“Solaris (1961)” by Stanislaw Lem (book)

“When psychologist Kris Kelvin arrives at the planet Solaris to study the ocean that covers its surface, he finds himself confronting a painful memory embodied in the physical likeness of a past lover. Kelvin learns that he is not alone in this and that other crews examining the planet are plagued with their own repressed and newly real memories. Could it be, as Solaris scientists speculate, that the ocean may be a massive neural center creating these memories, for a reason no one can identify?

Long considered a classic, Solaris asks the question: Can we understand the universe around us without first understanding what lies within?” (from Amazon.com)

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“Solaris (2002)” by Steven Soderbergh (George Clooney) (movie)

“A psychologist investigates mysterious happenings aboard a space station in this remake of the Russian sci-fi classic.” (from Amazon.com)

 

 

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“Solaris (1972)” by Andrei Tarkovsky (Donatas Banionis) (movie)

“Ground control has been receiving mysterious transmissions from the three remaining residents of the Solaris space station. When cosmonaut and psychologist Kris Kelvin is dispatched to investigate, he experiences the same strange phenomena that afflict the Solaris crew, sending him on a voyage into the darkest recesses of his consciousness.” (from Amazon.com)

 

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“Solaris (1968)” by Boris Nirenburg (Vasily Lanovoy) (TV movie) ++bonus film++

“Kris Kelvin joins the space station orbiting the planet Solaris, only to find its two crew members plagued by “phantoms,” creations of Solaris. Kelvin is soon confronted with his own phantom, taking the shape of his dead wife Hari.” (from IMDB.com)

 

 

* DISCLAIMER: Please be advised that the views and opinions of the hosts and guests of NDIOS are completely their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of the other hosts and guests or that of NDIOS.

PODCAST:

S4E0 – The Return of the Podcast (Season Four Announcement)*

SHOW NOTES:

Announcing the return of the podcast – season four of “No Deodorant in Outer Space” drops in 2019 !!!

After taking a hiatus from the podcast to focus on my writing I decided I missed it. So, I spent the last year recording an entire brand new season, which I’m now in the process of editing for release starting in January of 2019. The format will essentially remain the same with a semi-monthly critical discussion of classic and contemporary literature turned into visual media focusing on science fiction, fantasy and horror. What’s changed is that there will not be dedicated co-hosts, instead I’ll be rotating guests for every subject premise. Don’t worry, my old co-hosts and some frequent past guests all make return appearances. Releases will be on Tuesdays: a Preview Episode on the 1st Tuesday, a Book Review on the 3rd Tuesday and a Movie Review on the 4th Tuesday.

So, please look forward to a brand new season! I hope you enjoy it!

-Ryan Sean O’Reilly

* DISCLAIMER: Please be advised that the views and opinions of the hosts and guests of NDIOS are completely their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of the other hosts and guests or that of NDIOS.

PODCAST:

S3 – Wrap-Up Episode (finale)*

Listen to the podcast here (click to play/right click and select “save target as” to download):

SHOW NOTES:

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Ryan in his “robot” mode.

To wrap things up this year we attempted to do a season Wrap-Up Episode. Unlike last year, the conversation quickly devolved from review of the entire Season Three line up and turned more circuitously to reflections on the entire history of the podcast and the trials and tribulations of the hosts as they tried to keep this beast afloat. The discussion is more celebratory and, at times, nonsensical. We brought back two past guests: Mike O’Reilly and John (a/k/a Dole) Doyle to bring in some outside perspective.

Occasionally we did manage to get into the art of literature and film and there were some coherent thoughts that managed to squeak thru. All in all, we hope our jovial spirit puts a nice cap to this podcast and provides some reflective laughter along the way. Apologies for the general absurdity and thank you again for checking us out!

-Ryan

The NDIOS crew: Wilk, Rick and Ryan.

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RELATED LINKS:

Hosts:

Ryan Sean O’Reilly

David Wilkinson a/k/a “Wilk”

Rick

 

Guests:

Dole’s band’s website and links to videos of the band: (www.i-decline.com)

Click here for other episodes with Dole.

Mike O’Reilly’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMoreilly318

Click here for other episodes with Mike O’Reilly

Wilk’s other podcast with his wife Laura Valle: “How to Avoid Murder …and other awkward situations

 

RELATED EPISODES:

“Roadside Picnic (1972)” by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky (book)

“Stalker (1979)” by Andrei Tarkovsky (Alexander Kaidanovsky) (movie) – Russian with English subtitles

“Dune (Dune Chronicles #1) (1965)” by Frank Herbert (book)

Film: “Dune (1984)” by David Lynch (Kyle MacLachlan) and SyFy: “Frank Herbert’s Dune (2000)” by John Harrison (William Hurt)

“I Am Legend” by Richard Matheson (book)

“True Detective” by Cary Joji Fukunaga (Matthew McConaughey) (miniseries)

“The Body Snatchers (1955)” by Jack Finney (book)

“Something Wicked This Way Comes” by Ray Bradbury (book)

“The Devil Rides Out (Black Magic #1) (1934)” by Dennis Wheatley (book)

“Nineteen Eighty-Four” by George Orwell (book)

“Watchmen” by Alan Moore (writer) / Dave Gibbons (artist) (graphic novel)

“Naked Lunch” by William S. Burroughs (book)

“Slaughterhouse-Five” by Kurt Vonnegut (book)

 

* DISCLAIMER: Please be advised that the views and opinions of the hosts and guests of NDIOS are completely their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of the other hosts and guests or that of NDIOS.